What was your response to the controversy about Two and a Half Men’s Lee Aronsohn saying we’d reached “peak vagina” and a “labia saturation” point on TV?
L.M.: You shouldn’t be held accountable for things you say on a panel trying to make everyone laugh. But there’s something about “vagina saturation,” those two words together.
E.S.: I couldn’t get past how sexy it was.
L.M.: It was so evocative.
E.S.: It sounds like the name of a boat, or the name of my funk album in the early eighties. No, the whole thing just seems so crazy to me. I was like, “Ugh.” It actually made me tired. You know, shows are for humans and movies are for humans. They’re not for men or women, and whether it’s created by a man or woman—hopefully it’s created by a human! And other humans will enjoy it, be they male or female.