As the Washington Post’s overview points out, it seems clear that Trump’s written answers to Mueller weren’t enough:
“Over my dead body,” Giuliani said [about the prospect of Trump sitting down for an interview with Mueller] on “Fox News Sunday.” “But you know, I could be dead.”
“Fox News Sunday” host Chris Wallace followed up, pressing Giuliani on whether the special counsel wanted to speak with Trump. Giuliani did not respond directly and instead said he was “disgusted with the tactics they have used in this case.”
On ABC News’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos,” Giuliani was asked whether there were ongoing discussions about an interview. He replied that he was “not allowed” to say that. Giuliani added, “The agreement we had did contemplate that there’d be a period of time after the questions that we would have a discussion about whether there should be any further questions. So I’m not saying we are or we aren’t, but that’s in the agreement.”
Also on This Week, he insisted that, “I know that collusion is not a crime — it was over with by the time of the election,” and that Roger Stone coordinating with Wikileaks was also not a crime, and the only crime Trump committed was loving his family more than hush money:
“It’s not a crime, it’s not a crime, George, paying $130,000 to Stormy whatever, and paying $100,000 to the other one, it’s not a crime,” Giuliani said, pointing to the legal case involving John Edwards, a former U.S. senator and former presidential contender.
When Stephanopoulos challenged that there are major differences with the Edwards case, Giuliani argued there were grounds for comparison and said that because the payments were not solely for the purpose of influencing the election, but also to protect the president’s family from embarrassing media coverage, the payments do not meet the legal standard for illegal campaign contributions.
“I can produce an enormous number of witnesses that say the president was very concerned about how this was going to affect his children, his marriage, not just this one but similar – all those women came forward at that point in time, that – that tape with Billy Bush and all of that. It’s all part of the same thing. And I know what he was concerned about and I can produce 20 witnesses to tell you what he was concerned about,” Giuliani said.
And he acknowledged that Trump is a liar (and then threw in a 9/11 reference, because it’s his way):
GIULIANI: [Michael Cohen has] got to do a lot of singing to get out of the three years and he will say whatever he has to say. He’s changed his story four or five times.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So has the president.
GIULIANI: The president’s not under oath. And the president tried to do the best he can to remember what happened back at a time when he was the busiest man in the world. And I can’t – I was with him most of that time, I can’t remember a lot of the stuff that goes on there. But… But boy, if it’s — same way, if I go under oath, then I really think about it and I really say – you know, I can’t remember that. I – I was wrong about who was with me on September 11th. I always thought the Fire Commissioner was with me in the building we were trapped in. Turns out later, he tells me, I met you after. That happens when you’re in the middle of difficult events; you know that from experiencing it.