For September's Interview magazine, longtime friends and collaborators Karl Lagerfeld and Carine Roitfeld had a cozy, self-congratulatory chat about themselves, nudity, and Carine's children (Karl: "It would have been difficult to have an ugly daughter"), but mostly about themselves. First things first, Carine confirmed a few things that she's not doing, counter to widespread speculation:
ROITFELD: I can never work full time for a large fashion house. I could never do it.
ROITFELD: I'm not sure if I will ever do a magazine again, but I have plenty of ideas on the subject.
This is sad news, of course, but moving on to juicier things:
LAGERFELD: There's a big difference between photographing naked boys and naked girls.
ROITFELD: I was too shy, at first, to come close to these naked guys. I would stand a little ways away from them. With girls it's much easier.
LAGERFELD: I think it's easier because naked men are more awkward.
ROITFELD: Yes, and then there is always a bit of seduction to it when one person is clothed and the other is naked, which can be a little weird. Everybody should be naked. In that case, it would be easier, wouldn't it? Let's do a huge naked photo shoot!
ROITFELD: It's very you and very me, isn't it, Karl? It would be perfect.
In related news, Roitfeld apparently hates the expression "porno-chic" that's been widely used to describe her work. She prefers "erotic chic," because she thinks "porno" is a bad word. In fact, she insists that she's quite modest.
ROITFELD: People might think I'm very hard, what with my black makeup, my hair over my eyes, etc. My innocence didn't always help me, but it did preserve something in me that maybe others don't have anymore. I'm inside my bubble, you could say, and thankfully so, because I don't think daily life is always great. It protects me. I don't know if it's my sign, but Virgos are very faithful. I'm a faithful friend. I'm a faithful lover —
LAGERFELD: I can tell you are, indeed, being a Virgo myself.
ROITFELD: We're a faithful lot. Faithful in many ways.
LAGERFELD: Some people don't deserve our faithfulness.
ROITFELD: Some don't, but once we learn that, I can tell you that we also have a very good memory. I have a memory like an elephant. I don't forget anything.
LAGERFELD: Me neither.
ROITFELD: And revenge! I forget nothing and then, one day, there will be revenge. Innocence isn't exactly everywhere. But I will say innocence also takes you far in photography. I don't have prejudices. I'm against taboos. But of course there are some things I'll never touch — because as a mom, there are things one doesn't want their children to be around. I think it's very important what young people see in pictures or on TV or in magazines. Drugs, violence, anorexia ... All of the things that I absolutely do not reference in my photos.
LAGERFELD: You are the price of virtue without merit since it is your nature.
ROITFELD: The article is going to be called "Santa Carina!"
Please do a magazine, Carine. Please?
Carine Roitfeld [Interview]